Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them

August 17, 2014 10:38 pm 35 comments Views: 1244

A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem’s Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face.

The clergyman prefered not to lodge a complaint with the police and told an acquaintance that he was used to being spat at by Jews. Many Jerusalem clergy have been subjected to abuse of this kind. For the most part, they ignore it but sometimes they cannot.

On Sunday, a fracas developed when a yeshiva student spat at the cross being carried by the Armenian Archbishop during a procession near the Holy Sepulchre in the Old City. The archbishop’s 17th-century cross was broken during the brawl and he slapped the yeshiva student.

Both were questioned by police and the yeshiva student will be brought to trial. The Jerusalem District Court has meanwhile banned the student from approaching the Old City for 75 days.

But the Armenians are far from satisfied by the police action and say this sort of thing has been going on for years. Archbishop Nourhan Manougian says he expects the education minister to say something.

“When there is an attack against Jews anywhere in the world, the Israeli government is incensed, so why when our religion and pride are hurt, don’t they take harsher measures?” he asks.

According to Daniel Rossing, former adviser to the Religious Affairs Ministry on Christian affairs and director of a Jerusalem center for Christian-Jewish dialogue, there has been an increase in the number of such incidents recently, “as part of a general atmosphere of lack of tolerance in the country.”

Rossing says there are certain common characeristics from the point of view of time and location to the incidents. He points to the fact that there are more incidents in areas where Jews and Christians mingle, such as the Jewish and Armenian quarters of the Old City and the Jaffa Gate.

There are an increased number at certain times of year, such as during the Purim holiday.”I know Christians who lock themselves indoors during the entire Purim holiday,” he says.

Former adviser to the mayor on Christian affairs, Shmuel Evyatar, describes the situation as “a huge disgrace.” He says most of the instigators are yeshiva students studying in the Old City who view the Christian religion with disdain.

“I’m sure the phenomenon would end as soon as rabbis and well-known educators denounce it. In practice, rabbis of yeshivas ignore or even encourage it,” he says.

Evyatar says he himself was spat at while walking with a Serbian bishop in the Jewish quarter, near his home. “A group of yeshiva students spat at us and their teacher just stood by and watched.”

Jerusalem municipal officials said they are aware of the problem but it has to be dealt with by the police. Shmuel Ben-Ruby, the police spokesman, said they had only two complaints from Christians in the past two years. He said that, in both cases, the culprits were caught and punished.

He said the police deploy an inordinately high number of patrols and special technology in the Old City and its surroundings in an attempt to keep order.

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  • timtzotzli

    Why don’t you spit back at them?

    • ABLE TABLE

      HEAVENS NO! THE CHRISTIANS SHOULD LET THE JEWS DO WHATEVER THEY WANT AND SHOULD ACT AS THEIR SERVANTS. OTHERWISE THERE WILL NOT BE ANY SALVATION FOR THE CHRISTIANS!

      • wiseman

        That is not how salvation works. Those that spit on Christians demonstrate how evil the spitters have become.

      • Justin V. Link

        You are one sick twisted heretic.

      • errorsofrussia

        I think you’re being totally sarcastic but you hit a vein of truth when it comes to the completely disoriented thinking of so-called ‘Christian Zionists’ who think the Jews are somehow still God’s ‘chosen people’ despite the fact they utterly reject the New Covenant established by Jesus Christ through his death and resurrection.

      • ej

        Yes. You are supposed to bend over and spread your cheeks.

    • wiseman

      Spitting on anyone is a crime. It also spreads whatever germs are present in the host.

      It is best to video spitting attacks and publish them after making a police report.

      Those that spit on others demonstrate a lack of moral fiber and total ignorance of the underlying medical issues, right?

      However, I would not be upset at someone who did spit back at someone spitting on them.

      Gave you an up vote for standing up against religious extremism and prejudice.

  • Moshe Levy

    I strongly condemn this action made by the Ex-trim Haredim who has nothing to do with “Jews” in general or with “Israel” which they hate more than they hate the Christians.
    We have many problems with those Haredim and spitting is the less important among them.
    I strongly recommend the Christians to have video cameras with them when they take a walk outside and film those ignorant Haredim and give those films to the police.
    They can also not serve the other chick and catch some of them Haredim in action and deliver them to the police forces. Do it one time and see the results friends.
    Freedom of religion is one of the corner stones of Israeli democracy and MUST !!! be kept.

    • Some Jews are so terrible even in this
      modern time …I wonder how horrible they were in Jesus’ time …my goodness
      !!

      …..

      • Moshe Levy

        They were so horrible as the Huns in Europe a few hundred years later. They were so horrible even much worse than the Christians in Spain during the Inquisition. Jews were so horrible when they went to the showers and found them selves breathing Cyclonic gas instead of hot and cold water. Jews were so horrible when refused to die by 7 Arab armies attacking them in 1948 and were so horrible killing all these 7 armies including the Palestinians. Jews / Israelis were so horrible in 1967 liberating Jerusalem and the west bank from Jordan occupation and taking the Golan Heights and Siny desert.
        How horrible we are that we kill thousands of Hamas terrorists in Gaza and not letting them win. How horrible we are my friend, be ware of us, we are very very dangerous.
        Your anti Semitic remark just shows who you are my dear business man. Nowadays you have to confront other horrible enemies of yours my dear friend. They speak Arabic and want to slaughter you nonbeliever.

        • now now Moshe levy …anti-Semitism ?? My god? And Jesus
          was a anti-Semitic??? ….Well is that the playing of the victim and
          persecution card as usual to the hilt????……Actually I never had this kind
          of experience before…. I mean, the kind of spewing of froth in the mouth, at
          slightest scratching……I am from a place and background where Jews were held
          in respect…..Some old people said they are special people, so think of them
          with respect ….now I am seeing…..Who cannot take even a smallest criticism
          ….seems to be living always in the past …What is all that you are show-piecing
          here, got to do with those whom your folks are spitting on in to- days world
          ???..Are you spitting on them because what EGYPTIAN PHARAO DID ???/ ARE YOU SPITTING FOR WHAT THE PERSIAS DID
          ???…..I wonder if you are actually inside-supporter of those guys in spite of
          your public pronouncement…..my comments were at the background of spitting on
          the unconnected people…Well I believe it is the weakness ( mentality like our
          old folks here) of those whom you and your likes spite on, gave you the
          promised land or whatever, ……

          • Moshe Levy

            It seems you do not understand my English and intention, so sorry for that my dear.If you do not learn from those OLD PEOPLE, from whom will you learn? From TV reporters? From Hamas? You know dear BN, I can also use dirty words but I leave this job for you, it suites you better.

          • Moshe Levy…Sorry the defination of yours for dirty words
            in todays world and internet …….And our old people ??…Do I try to learn from them ???…..Noooooo not at all ….because , they are there as part of my being,…and my existance …….I may try to unlearn them by the inputs from some TV reports and and may be Hamas …..and many times inputs from likes of ….well, shall we say , from those who spit on innocent and unconnected people ???….Because those unconnectd people in essence are all the OLD peope, in different appearnce ….Therfore it is like getting electric shock in your body .I mean…. in your being …… It is not so easy to unlearn the Old people ……

          • Moshe Levy

            Well, these parasite guys will end up in prison anyway for not recruiting to the army and I think we summed it all up by now. Be well.

        • Omar_the_Egyptian

          lolz but whose land have you stolen-Arabs:specifically Palestinians.Who gave you refuge when Europeans were slaughtering left and right during the Middle Ages and other dark parts of history-Arabs. BTW you have no right to the Golan heights or the Sinai peninsula.

          • Moshe Levy

            Old news Omar. Check:
            San Remo summit 4 1920 and maps.
            Learn some history of the last 4000 years man.
            Check what Hamas leaders say about the origin of the so called “Palestinians”
            Then crawl back to your cage of ignorance of yours.

        • gyula

          First ..don’t lie about the Huns here. Second ,this guy had an anti-Judaistic remark, not anti-semitic which is tolerable. You know, Christianity cannot be Judaistic at all…:) You are always innocent victims.

        • ej

          More lies about the silly Holocaust.

    • wiseman

      Not all Jews think the same way. There is a peace movement in Israel and some have risked jail time to express their disapproval of excessive force used against Palestinians in Gaza. Netanyahu’s Israel should have stopped using excessive force on the Palestinian people earlier and instead arbitrated at the UN regarding matters that recently caused the catastrophe.

      The UN stated at least 2,101 Palestinian men women and children died, including 1,460 civilians, of whom 493 were children and 253 women. About 70 percent of those that died were not involved in the fighting.

      Per CNN and BBC, about 10,000 were wounded and over a half of a million displaced by Israel.

      This Palestinian catastrophe was done to punish a much smaller number of Palestinians.

      Per Haaretz, it will cost about 6 billion US dollars to reconstruct Gaza.

      The innocent Palestinian fallen, now far exceed the guilty.

      The scale of justice does not balance, does it?

      It does not matter what country one is from, it is the duty of every human being to protect at least women and children, right?

      The Israel battle plan was flawed because given a warning, it then did not care if civilians were present. Their official justification was based on knocking on the door with a bomb minus explosives.

      Hypothetically, if rockets were fired from a crowded stadium, no other country on this planet would bomb the stadium to kill the guilty along with the innocent, right?

      Further, it is irrational to believe that Men, women and children all can quickly equate that knocking noise with the urgent need to flee because children don’t process information like adults do, right?

      Children can get confused and not associate the knock with the urgency it demands or they can become overcome by intense fear. Adults will do anything to protect their children and did.

      The UN reported that refugee sites were targeted.

      UN resolution 1674 governs the protection of civilians in a war zone. Per wikipedia under Acts, “The deliberate targeting of civilians during armed conflict was described as a “flagrant violation” of international humanitarian law.”

      Both Israel and Hamas violated 1674 and other international laws. Hamas placed military hardware in illegal locations, while Israel targeted those locations without intelligently and humanely clearing the area before attacking them.

      It is very important that both Israel and Hamas be prosecuted for war crimes because both violated 1674.

      Maybe that will teach both Israel and Hamas to stop killing people and instead engage in negotiations with the UN and engage the world court the next time they feel like attacking each other.

      Do you agree?

      • Moshe Levy

        Good morning Wise guy, are you awake now? What kept you silent for the last month?
        Let me tell you a little true story about the war in Gaza and Hamas.

        July 27, 2014

        True story.

        Commander Segal was walking in the streets of Gaza with his
        soldiers looking for Hamas terrorists who fire rockets at his home town Shderot aiming to hit his home in which his mother, his father and his two young sisters are living.
        Suddenly one terrorist opened fire at him and his soldiers from a
        window at the 2nd floor at a house nearby. Commander Segal freezes in his post, took out his Lao missile launcher and has the terrorist on his site but he suddenly sees 4 little children surrounding the terrorist and one baby hanged on his chest. He also sees in the house yard a rocket on the launcher ready to be fired.
        The fire is strong, bullets are flying close to him, he can be dead
        without even knowing it. The rocket can be launched any second and might kill his family. There is no sniper with him, there is no more time!!!
        To shoot or not to shoot?
        To save himself and his soldiers?
        To be or not to be?
        WHAT WOULD YOU DO ???
        Now to your comment dear, Hamas is a terror organization said to be one by Egypt, The USA, The UN, Israel, European Union and more.
        Hams is sworn to kill all Jews and destroy the state of Israel. You would very much like that, don’t you dear wise guy?
        I do not understand why am I even talking to you my brain washed friend.
        By.

        • wiseman

          Moshe Levy, why did you send me the following CNN reply several weeks ago?


          Dear B.O.Y. you see, we are very dangerous, do not mess
          with us, we shoot at anyone who is against us even if it is the USA. RIGHT ???

          DO NOT MESS WITH US !!! WE ARE VERY DANGEROUS !!! RIGHT
          ???

          I must admit you certainly intimidated me with what you wrote.

          • Moshe Levy

            That is because I always say the truth dear. You can check with Hamas, Hezbollah, Syria, Sudan, Iran, and every other country who ever tried us in the past.

          • wiseman

            I need to understand you better and I hope you are not offended by my or your words.

            You stated, “…I always say the truth dear.”

            Given that, you also stated, “we are very dangerous, do not mess with us, we shoot at anyone who is against us even if it is the USA.”

            Putting your statements together synergizes to this.

            You are being truthful when you stated “we shoot at anyone who is against us even if it is the USA”.

            Why would you write in such an extremist, jihadist and hostile manner?

            What happened to your tolerance for Arabs under occupation and for those that disagree with Israeli state policy?

            You cannot win by being the bully on the block, right?

            Both Hamas and Israel must be prosecuted for war crimes or cruel extremism will take-over both Israel and Hamas.

          • Moshe Levy

            “Against us” means attacking us. Our enemies understand power only.

          • wiseman

            Moshe, you stated, “”Against us” means attacking us. ”

            First and foremost, I mean no offense to you, but you don’t appear to remember the context of my post that triggered your acidic reply.

            Please remember, I only seek to gain understanding, not to push an ego agenda nor to insult you.

            Here is a portion of the post that you replied to.

            The USS Liberty data within the next four paragraphs was taken from the USS Liberty Memorial Web Page.

            Why did Israel attack the USS Liberty in international waters on 6.8.1967 and kill 34 brave men and wound 174?

            “USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli
            reconnaissance aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter.

            The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without
            attempting to contact us. [The USS Liberty was] brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel.

            The ship, a $40-million dollar state-of-the-art signals
            intelligence platform, was later declared unsalvageable and sold for scrap.”

            I did not include everything because I did not want to use excessive information force against your reply.

            A reasonable person can conclude that the USS Liberty was not attacking Israel, right?

          • corb

            ..and you’ll too understand power only…Bad times are comin’…

  • Yonit Gefen

    The Ultra Orthodox get away with much too much. There are many reasons to not let them get away with this. They leech off of Israel and then are offended when asked to do basic things like working. If there is a Christian relations department, this is one of the very basic things they should handle. The reluctance to enforce laws hurts the society

  • Martyn Toohey

    The Christians in Jerusalem are siding with the hateful Arabs against Israel!
    that’s why!

    ‘’Allah Gave Israel to the Jews, There’s No Palestine’’

    Sheikh Ahmad Adwan, Muslim scholar in Jordan attacks ‘Palestinians’ for distorting Koran, Jews given Israel ‘until Day of Judgement.’ (Sura 5Verse 21)

    Allah assigned Israel to the Jews until the Day of Judgement (Sura 5Verse 21), and that Jews are the inheritors of Israel (Sura 26 Verse 59).

    “I say to those who distort…the Koran:
    from where did you bring the name Palestine, you liars, you accursed, when
    Allah has already named it ‘TheHoly Land’ and
    bequeathed it to the Children of Israel until the Day of Judgment,” argued
    Adwan. “There is no such thing as ‘Palestine’ in the Koran.”

    The sheikh had more harsh words for the
    “Palestinians,” calling them “the killers of children, the
    elderly and women” in using them as human shields in order to falsely
    accuse the Jews of targeting them. He reports having seen the same tactic used
    by “Palestinians” against the Jordanian army in the 1970s.

    “This is their habit and custom, their
    viciousness, their having hearts of stones towards their children, and their
    lying to public opinion, in order to get its support,” declared Adwan.

    • corb

      Day of Judgement is sooooo close thank God !

      • Martyn Toohey

        Yes so close and thank G
        Jews have had ENOUGH

  • Martyn Toohey

    Decent and sincere Christians have left Jerusalem LONG AGO and live overseas

  • skeetsack

    This Just In: Jews behave unfavorably

  • Rev. George Brooks

    Most, or many, of these nutty Jews cannot help themselves from the evil ways, because they are the products of incest. Even Abraham and Moses were involved in the practice of incest. Abraham with his half sister, and Moses with his great aunt, whom they even married. And they often sleep with their sisters, and with their cousins, and don’t think it matters. While living in California years back, I even knew one who slept with his own mother. And are the world’s greatest liars, including much that is found in the Bible, including the Adam & Eve lie, the great flood lie, the Parting of the Red Sea lie, and the Moses on Mt. Sinai lie, etc, etc, etc. — Rev. George Brooks

  • Moshe, the Jews are the antichrist. You can whine, haggle, spit all you want.
    They are the synagogue of Satan.

  • Rich Paul

    Pepper spray would be a good, proportional response.